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Пишет moveforever:каф кон 2006 Q&A Shawn Postoff
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Shawn Postoff - QAF (story editor - 14 episodes, 2003) (executive story editor - 12 episodes, 2004) (producer - 2 episodes, 2005) с IMDB
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тут и про то, что финал 214 был ошибкой, и про непростые взаимоотношения Рэнди с Коулипами и про финал....
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пишет gaedhal 2006-02-24 Your Thoughts?
читать дальшеThanks to sweetmadamblue of the_hor_house
for permission to quote from their transcript of Shawn Postoff's
Q&A at the 2006 QAF Convention in Toronto of last weekend.
I'm cutting for
Richard: Okay, so were you happy with the way it all played out? Were you happy with the way it all ended? *laughter*
Unidentified Attendee: Your answer is a matter of life and death.
Brit: You’re kind of taking your life in your own hands.
Shawn: I certainly understand, I feel good about where it ended I felt that it was a mature ending. It felt right when you’re dealing with first love With Justin and Brian, they were both each other’s first love and as fabulous and enthralling as a first love is it’s also not always the most mature kind of love it’s also not the most nourishing kind of love that you can get from a relationship, it can’t clarify… what love should be and all that kind of stuff. It felt right to me that they left on a parting note yet still acknowledging that they will always love each other because when I think about my first love I still love him I haven’t spoken with him in over 4 years we lost touch but there’s a special place in my heart that is his and my current husband knows that and accepts that. And so…
Richard: Current husband? How many have you had? *laughter* We have Elizabeth Taylor up here.
Shawn: Um yeah so anyway what I’m saying is that they were each other’s first love they had a fabulous love and they will always love each other, but that does not necessarily mean that they will be together and that makes perfect sense to me. I know it doesn’t make for great series finale and fireworks but it made sense to me.
Richard: You came to the very first con and then you left and went back to the real world did you take back ideas and stuff like that. How did that con, umm did that play a role into anything that you participated in with the writing? And then after the last con again did you take anything back?
Shawn: The question being did I bring back to the table new reconnaissance from the con?
Richard: Yeah
Shawn: No. I didn’t need to tell them that, they knew. Sheila Hockins, a producer from Showtime would peruse the boards; they knew what was going on. They knew what the fandom was saying what they loved and what they hated and Ron and Dan quite frankly didn’t want to do it. They didn’t care, it was their show they had a particular kind of story they wanted to tell.
(I think Richard said they were god or something. Then laughter.)
Michael: Can I ask a question? What are these shirts everybody is wearing? (Looks At The HORS)
Shawn: These are the HORS.
Madam: It’s an internet community.
Shawn: House of the Rising Sun. Don’t Ask Me How I Know That!
Madam: We were the number one thread on the sho.boards for the last three years and we have several internet communities.
Richard: They are total Brian and Justin lovers and they are not happy with you.
Madam: There are lines out of our thread, it could be coincidental but the last line of QAF was something I had written in the opening of my thread during the season 3 hiatus and during all of season 4. The Gloria Gaynor line. It was amusing to see it end up in 513 of Queer As Folk.
Shawn: Ron and Dan claim they didn’t read the threads.
Madam: They read the threads. You have people who monitor them, we all know that. It was obvious.
Shawn: I don’t know. Season 5 my last episode was 7. I was still in the room contributing but I had no input into 12 and 13.
Madam: 507?
Shawn: 5 and 7
Madam: I didn’t mind 507; I wanted him to leave… He needed to leave.
Richard: I love this, I have no idea what you guys are talking about except that 507 was an episode but the fact that he wore a blue shirt and he walked out.
Madam: He needed to leave. He was wearing the white jacket.
Shawn: It’s a blur, what stands out for me when I think back to those episodes are critical lines that I wrote that I felt were strong that weren’t cut. Some of them obviously were cut.
Madam: It’s a year later now; you said that you identified with Justin more last year. I think you said at the last convention you feel he’s the character you identify more with is that still the case and why?
Shawn: I feel that because he was the youngest character on the show I was the youngest writer in the writing room. Very much similar to how he would then… to New York or whatever in Hollywood wherever I felt as when my agent called me up and said guess what this is happening I kind of felt like wow. Many of the things that happened you know, the very first episode I penned I think was the Ethan episode with the violin and he’s offered that deal and the emotion and the residence (?) what he was going through and what I was going through was quite striking personally and not so much the Justin character as the Justin age where I felt like certainly I was never a Babylon boy I’d never you know a lot of the stuff
Madam: Well I never thought Justin was a “Babylon Boy” either.
Shawn: Right, but the stuff that he engaged in, how old was he? He was 17 when he stood on the corner and watched the people come and go from Babylon. That was never me. I came out in a completely different way. I’ve evolved as a gay man in a really different way with my relationships…
Richard: You’re gay? *laughter*
Shawn: Yeah.
Richard: Oh my god. *laughter*
Shawn: So yeah. It was just the age group and what he was going through, thinking about career and his identity.
Richard: You’re looking at it more in an artistic form in that there were a lot of similarities between how you are typically and how he is and all of that. Whereas you’re looking at it in a different more figurative way as he’s a real person and Justin…
Madam: I know what I’m saying. You apparently just don’t get it. Did you find that maybe season 5 contradicted everything we had learned about the characters from season 1 to season 4? Cause I felt like in 4 we were seeing Gale’s character become more open for instance “I want to spend time with Gus, & the whole your drawers in my drawers comment” you know he’s making the move to spend more time, that maybe he can commit and love.”
Shawn: I don’t see it as a contradiction; I see it as wearing shoes that are the wrong size. I think Brian went a little too far in the direction of what he thought the world wanted him to be and realized it’s not working. And that’s how it made sense to me how I justified it to myself in the writing room. Because the impulse always and we’re culturally conditioned to think this way, the impulse is that two people have to fall in love and get together to live happily ever after.
Madam: Now we all know that doesn’t happen all the time.
Shawn: I know but it certainly doesn’t happen in real life.
Madam: Hmm, Right in some cases maybe not.
Shawn: But as soon as you fictionalize something and call it a story, you give it a beginning and an end and that ending doesn’t happen in real life, there is no end in real life except for when you die. You know today is going to stream into tomorrow and be punctuated by a whole bunch of really mundane events which are not television and which are not any kind of fiction and as soon as you say I’m putting an ending on this story you’re automatically calling forth a certain kind of expectation about what that ending is going to look like and that ending is culturally conditioned. So if you’re in western civilization we believe that these two people should live happily ever after and they very seldom do. So in the writing room I was constantly fighting with the notion of now wait a minute this is Brian and Justin don’t we want them to get together and then also trying to struggle with the notion of we want to do something intuiting and different and unconventional.
Richard: You almost had to have that sort of teeter totter where they’re together they’re apart in order to keep people intrigued.
Shawn: Right.
Richard: Or then all of a sudden they’re like Melanie and Lindsay and stop getting airtime you know what I mean? But you had to lead people in.
Shawn: Right.
Richard: Or it would become boring.
Shawn: Well yeah I think season 5 was five seasons is really pushing it in terms of storytelling we were struggling and I was not personally the whole bringing the political aspect of state politics I recognize it was state politics and as opposed to municipal politics this time around, but it was still politics you could tell that the storytelling was kind of going in circles. I would’ve liked if you want to tell a political story don’t worry about an election because the election is the tip of the iceberg. But you know.
Madam: Do you not feel that you might have left your lead character as the oldest most pathetic club boy known to man, you know the guy in the club wearing the polyester pants, the open silk shirt, the gold chains for the rest of his life? Because that’s sort of how I felt.
Shawn: Okay well, first of all
Madam: He’ll be the oldest guy in the club and that’s pathetic.
Shawn: Why is that pathetic?
Madam: Because it just is, do you like those kinds of guys? I mean that’s not who you hook up with when you’re out at a club is it?
Shawn: Well, but that’s not who I am. I’m not a club person in general. It’s only pathetic because we’ve been culturally conditioned under a certain cult of youth that says only young people are allowed to go to clubs and dance and have a good time. And Brian here is saying okay I’m getting older but this is still my world this is still where I want to be.
Richard: He was happy, he wasn’t miserable. I think at the end when he’s dancing, I don’t have a photographic memory, but I do think he was happy, he’d come full circle he’d tried all sorts of other things which didn’t work and he found out what worked.
Shawn: I think the difference is when you see an older person at a club who’s at a club purposely for lecherous reasons, that’s pretty pathetic. When you see an older person at a club who’s having a great time and dancing and they’re sixty years old and they’re on the floor and doing their thing you really admire that person and say way to go! And that’s certainly my opinion. And there’s certainly many boy toys out there who’d say oh my god but….
Madam: Well they brought in the new ranks with Brandon that’s his competition now. I don’t know I just thought wow, what a way to fuck up a character.
Shawn: What are you going to do? *laughter*
...
Unidentified Attendee: Did you ever get any crap from the character about your writing? Did they come in and say I’m not doing this, this is ridiculous?
Shawn: What they thought about the writing? I’m sure they probably hated some of the writing but at the same time you don’t bite the hand that feeds you right? Ron and Dan were feeding us all so they had, I think I went through this last year, they had a window of opportunity like an hour or so after the table read to approach Ron and Dan and say I’m concerned about this. Not like an hour probably more like a day 24 hours. I think if it got out of hand, if an actor was doing it constantly as punishment
Richard: They would be killed.
Shawn: No, they would be re-written and they would be re-written down they would get less lines and that is like death to an actor.
(There’s laughter and noise during which they started talking about killing off Vic.)
...
Madam: Speaking of “Regrets” You said that Cowlip didn’t like it that they wished they’d never had him (Justin) top Brian in season two.
Shawn: Because it created an inconsistency.
...
Madam: I have just 2 questions. There was an interview given by Randy in The Advocate and in that interview he said a few things about his character and then kind of almost verbatim the words he spoke in The Advocate article were spoken by his mother in season 5. Coincidence or what?
I mean you can almost put those answers right up against it. And then the other issue was about the Simon thing the art critic where his name is Simon and that was odd because Randy’s character actually called Simon (the art critic) a cunt and I was kind of freaked out and then later on Brian is reading the magazine and says “oh that Simon likes to use big words” or might not be verbatim and I’m thinking to myself Jesus the guys’ boyfriends name is Simon and he’s a writer! Was that a bitch slap or am I just crazy. So can you elaborate on that?
Shawn: I can’t speak for Ron and Dan but I think it’s fairly obvious there was animosity towards the end of the show and I think that was quite tragic because it came as a result of an equation in my opinion. Randy Harrison is a very quiet private person. Dan Lipman in particular is not. He’s a very outgoing guy says hi to everyone in the hallway he’s a very loving kind of guy. And I think early on not early on when I started when I was first brought onto the show I got a sense of noses being out of joint simple things like oh I said hello and no one said hi back
Madam: How professional is it to let your real life (personal life) into your professional one?
Shawn: I can’t comment on that but you know at the same time there’s a whole lot of ego involved. It’s all about people who put a great deal of personal stock and personal identity goes into it.
Richard: And it’s about money.
Shawn: Yes thank you it’s about money. And you know what this sounds cold and bitter but it’s about storytelling
Madam: We were thinking well was that a bitch slap or what the hell happened here?
Shawn: It wasn’t a bitch slap in the sense of hey world look at what we’re doing to Randy, but it was if anything it was a little tickle for Randy in a very covert way to say watch yourself but you know Hollywood has such a short memory like it will all blow over. And it will all be forgotten.
Madam: You think?
Richard: Are you kidding?
Shawn: But it’s true though in a sense though on one level you can go oh my god they did this they said that but then another
Madam: About that Advocate article it was like you said this about us and you said this about our character well we’re going to make you say that he wasn’t all that so that was kind of crappy.
Shawn: Well, it makes good copy right?
Madam: Yeah if say so.
Richard: I think that a movie or tv or like that article is supposed to tell it’s version of it whatever that may be and then it’s supposed to make you go and talk about it. If you’re not talking about it that you agree or disagree with it then it wasn’t poignant at all it didn’t create a sort of raucous within you but the controversy the fact that we have a room divided you know that fact that we have people that are agreeing and disagreeing that was what it was all about. It was a gay having a gay tv show makes somebody money while trying to educate people you know what I mean you’ve got to take it back into the generic that’s what it’s all about.
Shawn: I really have a sense that Randy and possibly Gale, you know I don’t really know these guys I’ve probably spoken to them like 5 times because we were so sequestered and so removed and were on different schedules so I don’t really know who I would imagine he walked away from the show feeling very bitter because of how he was portrayed on the show. Where his character went, all that stuff. Okay fine. I think you give him 10 years or even 20 years and ask him to look back on that and he’s going to say wow, I wouldn’t be surprised you give them 10 to 20 years, Ron and Dan will talk with Randy Harrison.
Thanks again to Madam for her tough questions. They needed to be asked!
And now -- your comments?
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Shawn Postoff - QAF (story editor - 14 episodes, 2003) (executive story editor - 12 episodes, 2004) (producer - 2 episodes, 2005) с IMDB
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транскрипт sweetmadamblue вопросов-ответов с феральского кона 2006-го года...
всколыхнувший не успевший еще остыть народный гнев... я так и не могу собраться и заставить прочитать себя это все целиком, какими-то урывками... но прочитать надо, конечно...
тут и про то, что финал 214 был ошибкой, и про непростые взаимоотношения Рэнди с Коулипами и про финал....
выложено тут gaedhal.livejournal.com/201568.html
450 каментов, возможно даже познавательнее, чем сам текст.. я пока тоже посмотрела по диагонали первую страницу
ну и сам транскрипт сюда
пишет gaedhal 2006-02-24 Your Thoughts?
читать дальшеThanks to sweetmadamblue of the_hor_house
for permission to quote from their transcript of Shawn Postoff's
Q&A at the 2006 QAF Convention in Toronto of last weekend.
I'm cutting for
Richard: Okay, so were you happy with the way it all played out? Were you happy with the way it all ended? *laughter*
Unidentified Attendee: Your answer is a matter of life and death.
Brit: You’re kind of taking your life in your own hands.
Shawn: I certainly understand, I feel good about where it ended I felt that it was a mature ending. It felt right when you’re dealing with first love With Justin and Brian, they were both each other’s first love and as fabulous and enthralling as a first love is it’s also not always the most mature kind of love it’s also not the most nourishing kind of love that you can get from a relationship, it can’t clarify… what love should be and all that kind of stuff. It felt right to me that they left on a parting note yet still acknowledging that they will always love each other because when I think about my first love I still love him I haven’t spoken with him in over 4 years we lost touch but there’s a special place in my heart that is his and my current husband knows that and accepts that. And so…
Richard: Current husband? How many have you had? *laughter* We have Elizabeth Taylor up here.
Shawn: Um yeah so anyway what I’m saying is that they were each other’s first love they had a fabulous love and they will always love each other, but that does not necessarily mean that they will be together and that makes perfect sense to me. I know it doesn’t make for great series finale and fireworks but it made sense to me.
Richard: You came to the very first con and then you left and went back to the real world did you take back ideas and stuff like that. How did that con, umm did that play a role into anything that you participated in with the writing? And then after the last con again did you take anything back?
Shawn: The question being did I bring back to the table new reconnaissance from the con?
Richard: Yeah
Shawn: No. I didn’t need to tell them that, they knew. Sheila Hockins, a producer from Showtime would peruse the boards; they knew what was going on. They knew what the fandom was saying what they loved and what they hated and Ron and Dan quite frankly didn’t want to do it. They didn’t care, it was their show they had a particular kind of story they wanted to tell.
(I think Richard said they were god or something. Then laughter.)
Michael: Can I ask a question? What are these shirts everybody is wearing? (Looks At The HORS)
Shawn: These are the HORS.
Madam: It’s an internet community.
Shawn: House of the Rising Sun. Don’t Ask Me How I Know That!
Madam: We were the number one thread on the sho.boards for the last three years and we have several internet communities.
Richard: They are total Brian and Justin lovers and they are not happy with you.
Madam: There are lines out of our thread, it could be coincidental but the last line of QAF was something I had written in the opening of my thread during the season 3 hiatus and during all of season 4. The Gloria Gaynor line. It was amusing to see it end up in 513 of Queer As Folk.
Shawn: Ron and Dan claim they didn’t read the threads.
Madam: They read the threads. You have people who monitor them, we all know that. It was obvious.
Shawn: I don’t know. Season 5 my last episode was 7. I was still in the room contributing but I had no input into 12 and 13.
Madam: 507?
Shawn: 5 and 7
Madam: I didn’t mind 507; I wanted him to leave… He needed to leave.
Richard: I love this, I have no idea what you guys are talking about except that 507 was an episode but the fact that he wore a blue shirt and he walked out.
Madam: He needed to leave. He was wearing the white jacket.
Shawn: It’s a blur, what stands out for me when I think back to those episodes are critical lines that I wrote that I felt were strong that weren’t cut. Some of them obviously were cut.
Madam: It’s a year later now; you said that you identified with Justin more last year. I think you said at the last convention you feel he’s the character you identify more with is that still the case and why?
Shawn: I feel that because he was the youngest character on the show I was the youngest writer in the writing room. Very much similar to how he would then… to New York or whatever in Hollywood wherever I felt as when my agent called me up and said guess what this is happening I kind of felt like wow. Many of the things that happened you know, the very first episode I penned I think was the Ethan episode with the violin and he’s offered that deal and the emotion and the residence (?) what he was going through and what I was going through was quite striking personally and not so much the Justin character as the Justin age where I felt like certainly I was never a Babylon boy I’d never you know a lot of the stuff
Madam: Well I never thought Justin was a “Babylon Boy” either.
Shawn: Right, but the stuff that he engaged in, how old was he? He was 17 when he stood on the corner and watched the people come and go from Babylon. That was never me. I came out in a completely different way. I’ve evolved as a gay man in a really different way with my relationships…
Richard: You’re gay? *laughter*
Shawn: Yeah.
Richard: Oh my god. *laughter*
Shawn: So yeah. It was just the age group and what he was going through, thinking about career and his identity.
Richard: You’re looking at it more in an artistic form in that there were a lot of similarities between how you are typically and how he is and all of that. Whereas you’re looking at it in a different more figurative way as he’s a real person and Justin…
Madam: I know what I’m saying. You apparently just don’t get it. Did you find that maybe season 5 contradicted everything we had learned about the characters from season 1 to season 4? Cause I felt like in 4 we were seeing Gale’s character become more open for instance “I want to spend time with Gus, & the whole your drawers in my drawers comment” you know he’s making the move to spend more time, that maybe he can commit and love.”
Shawn: I don’t see it as a contradiction; I see it as wearing shoes that are the wrong size. I think Brian went a little too far in the direction of what he thought the world wanted him to be and realized it’s not working. And that’s how it made sense to me how I justified it to myself in the writing room. Because the impulse always and we’re culturally conditioned to think this way, the impulse is that two people have to fall in love and get together to live happily ever after.
Madam: Now we all know that doesn’t happen all the time.
Shawn: I know but it certainly doesn’t happen in real life.
Madam: Hmm, Right in some cases maybe not.
Shawn: But as soon as you fictionalize something and call it a story, you give it a beginning and an end and that ending doesn’t happen in real life, there is no end in real life except for when you die. You know today is going to stream into tomorrow and be punctuated by a whole bunch of really mundane events which are not television and which are not any kind of fiction and as soon as you say I’m putting an ending on this story you’re automatically calling forth a certain kind of expectation about what that ending is going to look like and that ending is culturally conditioned. So if you’re in western civilization we believe that these two people should live happily ever after and they very seldom do. So in the writing room I was constantly fighting with the notion of now wait a minute this is Brian and Justin don’t we want them to get together and then also trying to struggle with the notion of we want to do something intuiting and different and unconventional.
Richard: You almost had to have that sort of teeter totter where they’re together they’re apart in order to keep people intrigued.
Shawn: Right.
Richard: Or then all of a sudden they’re like Melanie and Lindsay and stop getting airtime you know what I mean? But you had to lead people in.
Shawn: Right.
Richard: Or it would become boring.
Shawn: Well yeah I think season 5 was five seasons is really pushing it in terms of storytelling we were struggling and I was not personally the whole bringing the political aspect of state politics I recognize it was state politics and as opposed to municipal politics this time around, but it was still politics you could tell that the storytelling was kind of going in circles. I would’ve liked if you want to tell a political story don’t worry about an election because the election is the tip of the iceberg. But you know.
Madam: Do you not feel that you might have left your lead character as the oldest most pathetic club boy known to man, you know the guy in the club wearing the polyester pants, the open silk shirt, the gold chains for the rest of his life? Because that’s sort of how I felt.
Shawn: Okay well, first of all
Madam: He’ll be the oldest guy in the club and that’s pathetic.
Shawn: Why is that pathetic?
Madam: Because it just is, do you like those kinds of guys? I mean that’s not who you hook up with when you’re out at a club is it?
Shawn: Well, but that’s not who I am. I’m not a club person in general. It’s only pathetic because we’ve been culturally conditioned under a certain cult of youth that says only young people are allowed to go to clubs and dance and have a good time. And Brian here is saying okay I’m getting older but this is still my world this is still where I want to be.
Richard: He was happy, he wasn’t miserable. I think at the end when he’s dancing, I don’t have a photographic memory, but I do think he was happy, he’d come full circle he’d tried all sorts of other things which didn’t work and he found out what worked.
Shawn: I think the difference is when you see an older person at a club who’s at a club purposely for lecherous reasons, that’s pretty pathetic. When you see an older person at a club who’s having a great time and dancing and they’re sixty years old and they’re on the floor and doing their thing you really admire that person and say way to go! And that’s certainly my opinion. And there’s certainly many boy toys out there who’d say oh my god but….
Madam: Well they brought in the new ranks with Brandon that’s his competition now. I don’t know I just thought wow, what a way to fuck up a character.
Shawn: What are you going to do? *laughter*
...
Unidentified Attendee: Did you ever get any crap from the character about your writing? Did they come in and say I’m not doing this, this is ridiculous?
Shawn: What they thought about the writing? I’m sure they probably hated some of the writing but at the same time you don’t bite the hand that feeds you right? Ron and Dan were feeding us all so they had, I think I went through this last year, they had a window of opportunity like an hour or so after the table read to approach Ron and Dan and say I’m concerned about this. Not like an hour probably more like a day 24 hours. I think if it got out of hand, if an actor was doing it constantly as punishment
Richard: They would be killed.
Shawn: No, they would be re-written and they would be re-written down they would get less lines and that is like death to an actor.
(There’s laughter and noise during which they started talking about killing off Vic.)
...
Madam: Speaking of “Regrets” You said that Cowlip didn’t like it that they wished they’d never had him (Justin) top Brian in season two.
Shawn: Because it created an inconsistency.
...
Madam: I have just 2 questions. There was an interview given by Randy in The Advocate and in that interview he said a few things about his character and then kind of almost verbatim the words he spoke in The Advocate article were spoken by his mother in season 5. Coincidence or what?
I mean you can almost put those answers right up against it. And then the other issue was about the Simon thing the art critic where his name is Simon and that was odd because Randy’s character actually called Simon (the art critic) a cunt and I was kind of freaked out and then later on Brian is reading the magazine and says “oh that Simon likes to use big words” or might not be verbatim and I’m thinking to myself Jesus the guys’ boyfriends name is Simon and he’s a writer! Was that a bitch slap or am I just crazy. So can you elaborate on that?
Shawn: I can’t speak for Ron and Dan but I think it’s fairly obvious there was animosity towards the end of the show and I think that was quite tragic because it came as a result of an equation in my opinion. Randy Harrison is a very quiet private person. Dan Lipman in particular is not. He’s a very outgoing guy says hi to everyone in the hallway he’s a very loving kind of guy. And I think early on not early on when I started when I was first brought onto the show I got a sense of noses being out of joint simple things like oh I said hello and no one said hi back
Madam: How professional is it to let your real life (personal life) into your professional one?
Shawn: I can’t comment on that but you know at the same time there’s a whole lot of ego involved. It’s all about people who put a great deal of personal stock and personal identity goes into it.
Richard: And it’s about money.
Shawn: Yes thank you it’s about money. And you know what this sounds cold and bitter but it’s about storytelling
Madam: We were thinking well was that a bitch slap or what the hell happened here?
Shawn: It wasn’t a bitch slap in the sense of hey world look at what we’re doing to Randy, but it was if anything it was a little tickle for Randy in a very covert way to say watch yourself but you know Hollywood has such a short memory like it will all blow over. And it will all be forgotten.
Madam: You think?
Richard: Are you kidding?
Shawn: But it’s true though in a sense though on one level you can go oh my god they did this they said that but then another
Madam: About that Advocate article it was like you said this about us and you said this about our character well we’re going to make you say that he wasn’t all that so that was kind of crappy.
Shawn: Well, it makes good copy right?
Madam: Yeah if say so.
Richard: I think that a movie or tv or like that article is supposed to tell it’s version of it whatever that may be and then it’s supposed to make you go and talk about it. If you’re not talking about it that you agree or disagree with it then it wasn’t poignant at all it didn’t create a sort of raucous within you but the controversy the fact that we have a room divided you know that fact that we have people that are agreeing and disagreeing that was what it was all about. It was a gay having a gay tv show makes somebody money while trying to educate people you know what I mean you’ve got to take it back into the generic that’s what it’s all about.
Shawn: I really have a sense that Randy and possibly Gale, you know I don’t really know these guys I’ve probably spoken to them like 5 times because we were so sequestered and so removed and were on different schedules so I don’t really know who I would imagine he walked away from the show feeling very bitter because of how he was portrayed on the show. Where his character went, all that stuff. Okay fine. I think you give him 10 years or even 20 years and ask him to look back on that and he’s going to say wow, I wouldn’t be surprised you give them 10 to 20 years, Ron and Dan will talk with Randy Harrison.
Thanks again to Madam for her tough questions. They needed to be asked!
And now -- your comments?
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@темы: Conventions, 2006, архивы